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Post by pistol on Jun 17, 2020 0:39:26 GMT -6
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Post by pistol on Jun 17, 2020 0:47:35 GMT -6
Even this post called out to be repeated
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Post by pistol on Jun 17, 2020 1:28:15 GMT -6
MLGA KLG
When do Grecian Traitors celebrate Lent?
Only in 2006
and briefly for a key, clutch, momentum shifting moment during a 2009 second period versus DeLucifer East
;P
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Post by hackerboy on Jun 17, 2020 14:04:57 GMT -6
Lent seems like 5 years ago.
Eye Can't Wait Until the next Lent so we can have a vaccine and be together in the Holy City watching hockey being played by the great metro powers.
In the meantime, why doesn't channel 12 rerun some tournaments for us to watch. There was a game back in 2009 on Thirstyday night where a key clutch momentum changing late second period goal was scored. Also there was a championship game in 2006 where the winner would have won without a goalie against a team that beat the One Trick Ponieers the night before. I am sure folks would like to see those games again.
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Post by Ankles Pierre, Jr. on Jun 25, 2020 0:26:57 GMT -6
Hackerboy's post is so defamingly shocking that Ankles Pierre, Jr. suffered a major heart attack.
Luckily, it appears that H-M HYPHEN-NATION CHAMPIONEERS have extra heart to spare
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Post by Ankles Pierre, Jr. on Jul 1, 2020 12:09:45 GMT -6
APjr is French Canadian & so has complexion less white privileged than yours. Plus, AP is too good looking & well mannered to fight police & other first responders. In fact, concerned that the ambulance driver might get distracted, AP first asked permission before screaming -TRUE
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Post by Ankles Pierre, Jr. on Jul 1, 2020 12:28:34 GMT -6
APjr was tested negative for COVID during his heart attack ...
that, plus AP's lesser privileged off-whiteness,
grants AP special First Amendment temporary permission to ask everyone to pray for AP's miracle recovery,
because Hill has won all 7 of its boys hockey State CHAMPIONEERShips SO FAR:
1. with Republican President in office 2. with APjr's heart still beating 3. with God in charge
H-M "-" HYPHEN-NATION
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Post by pistol on Jul 26, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -6
EYE agree with APjr On Ye Olde Bored 'podcast turning points' thread, even some Hill-Murray alumni claim not to know the secret behind 60 years of Hill CHAMPIONEER success. The simple answer is coaching. Ankles Pierre, Jr. could stop right there ... but won't. Both Hill and Edina first came to the attention of sportswriters around 1969/70 while both had great coaches. Hill's coach later was given a run as coach of the North Stars, and more than half the credit to developing good hockey players was (and is) coaching. The attitude of the players had something to do with it, too. Back in the late Sixties and early Seventies, and maybe beyond, good hockey players did not want to go to Hill for hockey. Boys went to Hill ... because their strict Catholic parents forced them! If the Hill boys really wanted to be noticed for hockey, they certainly would have stayed at nearby publik skols like Johnson if they could, where they would have a chance to play in the big televised state tournament, not the non-televised private tourneys that Hill boys had to accept. One might forgive the boys for playing with a chip on their shoulders. Hill boys unfairly were accused of betraying their publik skol friends by going to Hill just for the hockey ... despite: 1. publik skols like Johnson received more hockey attention than Hill in those early days; 2. their parents cared more about sending their boys to a good Catholic school than the almost exclusive statewide hockey attention that publik skols got in those days. To add even more insult to insult, Catholic boys being accused of leaving for greener hockey pastures were derided by the publik skols for playing "inferior" hockey. That's right. Often in the same argument, the Hill boys would be accused of both being "unfairly too good" and playing "vastly inferior" hockey at the same time. When scrimmaging a publik skol, the Hill boys might have heard jeers implying they were Catholic Church choir boys, too soft for hockey as the entered the arena; only to be followed with accusations as they left of having recruited too well and playing with an unfair advantage. Being unjustly and irrationally hated in such a damned-if-you-DO/damned-if-you-DO-better manner can be a great motivator. Just ask Edina ... for both different and similar reasons.... Which brings AP back to great coaching, Both teams, Edina and Hill, were drawing a lot of press all of a sudden in 1969/70 ... though the Hornets had the bigger stage the Hill CHAMPIONERS had forgone. Many Hill boys then, like now, thought they could be better than Edina ... yet thought they were being denied the chance to prove it. Chip ... meet Shoulder ... once again. Sportswriters at the time, especially Don Riley in St. Paul, liked to stir up "what if" controversies regarding Hill and Edina: Who would be the 'Imaginary State Champion' if the then separate publik and private leagues let their top teams face each other for all the medals? The weeks of pre-game newspaper hype, plus both team's loyal following, meant the annual Hill/Edina, Edina/Hill home and home series would fill both arenas to the rafters ... for a couple of scrimmages! In closing, the Hill program kept improving every year due mostly to great coaches but also due to the Hill boys who always were being made by outside forces to feel like they had something to prove ... which led to a style of play that gained the attention of Herb Brooks and others ... and the sportswriters' "what if" imaginations ... which led to Hill and other private schools being let into the MSHSL, in part, "to settle the question of who really was the best," as Lou Nanne admitted at the time. Though, despite gaining some measure of acceptance in the MSHSL, even if only in the rules if not spirit, two things never left Hill: 1. great coaches; 2. kids who play with something to prove.
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Post by pistol on Jul 26, 2020 9:31:06 GMT -6
And so does Ike: Ikola admits HM Boys Hockey has best defense in state dating back to 1960's & early 1970's ...
Back then, Mpls Strib & St. Paul Pioneer Press newspapers' sport sections had to dual over which team really deserved state title, Edina or Hill-Murray [real] CHAMPIONEERS ...
John Gilbert was on the Strib side of the river, and his Minneapolis bias shows:“I remember this guy,” Ike said, gesturing toward me, and he explained how people didn’t do a very thorough job of covering hockey until I showed up down there. That alone made my night. But Ike went on to explain what he meant. “Back then, in the ’60s and early ’70s, we never played Hill-Murray because they were in the parochial tournament,” Ikola said. “So I called Andre Beaulieu, who was coaching them, and we arranged to scrimmage a few times. A lot of people were trying to rank the teams around the state, but they always had some reason for what they picked. “Then you came along and when we scrimmaged Hill-Murray something like six times, you were at every one of the scrimmages. And then you did your ranking, and you included both the public and parochial school teams, and you ranked us first and Hill-Murray second. You explained that it was close, but you had watched all our scrimmages, and we had scored 27 goals and Hill-Murray had scored 26, so that was why you put us ahead of them.” You want to talk about a vivid memory? Ike has it. He recalled that former UMD star Dave Langevin, who went on to win a half-dozen Stanley Cups with the New York Islanders, was on that Hill-Murray team, and I was able to add an interesting tidbit for him. That Hill-Murray team, which was victimized year after year by Duluth Cathedral in the state independent tournament finals, had Langevin on defense — but he never started a game for the Pioneers! Hard to believe, but in this era of great skill development and depth, no team has ever had a better defensive corps than those Hill-Murray teams of Beaulieu’s. Langevin played with Les Larson as his partner, and Larson went off to Notre Dame before coming home to ultimately coach at Breck. The other tandem was a fellow named Bob Young and a giant named Dick Spannbauer — who went on to win the first NCAA championship for the Gophers under Herb Brooks. His partner, Young, was so good that Denver University coach Murray Armstrong, who had a pipeline to players throughout Alberta, recruited him. Minnesota didn’t play Denver back then, so Minnesota fans who didn’t see Young in the independent tournament might have never seen him play. But Young and Spannbauer were so dominant as a tandem, that the very good tandem of Larson and future U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame member Langevin never started a high school game. m.duluthreader.com/articles/2019/05/23/17051_ikola_leads_hockey_legends_into_decc_hall
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Post by Ankles Pierre, Jr. on Jul 26, 2020 10:53:55 GMT -6
Yes, pistol, those Murderapolis Star & Sickel reporters surely do have a bias for Mpls publik skols.
Gilbert can remember Duluth Cathedral beating Hill twice but cannot remember Hill topping the Hilltoppers also twice for the first two of Hill's Independent league CHAMPIONEERSHIPS out of 6 or 7 H-M HYPHEN-NATION STATE boys hockey titles, so far.
Randolph can remember. The Duluth coach says he still is haunted by nightmares recalling his 1969/70 overtime loss to Hill as a player, then twice losing two-goal leads to the CHAMPIONEERS in the 1990/91 final as a coach. In fact, Duluth Atheist never schedules regular season matchups with Hill, preferring to lose to Hill in tournaments instead. Come to think of it, Ankles Pierre, Jr. cannot recall the Duluth Atheist team ever prevailing in even one winners bracket game against God's Holy City CHAMPIONEERS in over five decades:
1969/70 Hill beats Randolph's team for first Independent state tournament title
1971/72 Hill-Murray beats same Duluth school again for second Independent title
1974/75 H-M beats Duluth Atheist team in first game of first ever All-School All-Class All-Leagues-combined MSHSL STATE HOCKEY TOURNEY
1990/91 H-M beats Randolph coached Duluth Atheist team in last game of last ever All-School All-Class All-Leagues-combined MSHSL STATE HOCKEY TOURNEY
2009/10 at least the third time that a Randolph coached Duluth Atheist team gives up 2-goal lead in another State winners bracket 2-goal loss to Hill-Murray
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Post by pistol on Jul 28, 2020 15:25:40 GMT -6
Starting in the late Sixties and into the Seventies, the competing St. Paul and Minneapolis newspapers continuously posed the question:
Who was had best hockey program of the decade, Edina or Hill-Murray?
The answer clearly was Grand Rapids.
Sure, Edina had more titles, but many of those titles came when they did not have to face the best of the Catholics & Independent leagues, such as Hill-Murray. Edina never having to face the CHAMPIONEERS before the leagues merged was the entire reason for the newspapers on both sides of the Mississippi arguing and awarding "Imaginary State Champions" during the late Sixties and early Seventies in the first place!
The Hornets did have to go through one of Hill-Murray's best teams ever on the way to Edina's 1979 State Championship, so we do give Edina it's due.
However, Grand Rapids clearly did better, drawing and besting Hill-Murray 5 times in years before seeding when the top teams often ended up in the same brackets. Winning championships is important, but who they beat matters, too.
Because of the lack of seeding, fans and sportswriters often complained that all the best teams were on one side of the bracket. Others did not complain, preferring to see a "Cinderella team" have an easier path to the title game, usually getting behind a small town northern team, Minneapolis Southwest, perennial loser South St. Paul, or Rochester John Marshall.
HM CHAMPIONEERS didn't see RJM as belonging in the "Cinderella" class. Hill-Murray respected RJM enough to schedule them every year. Roseau was another we wanted to face and respected as much as anyone, although the Rams and another tough Bloomington Lincoln squad never came away with a title in the Seventies. Hibbing and Duluth had teams we paid notice, but I'm not sure where to rank them. Same goes for International Falls, which was strong and won championships in the asterisks years when publiks did not have to face Catholics, yet the Broncos were in decline by midway through the decade.
Seventies top programs: 1. Grand Rapids 2. Edina & Edina East combined 3. Hill-Murray followed by a lot of sentimental teams already mentioned like RJM & Roseau
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Post by Ankles Pierre, Jr. on Jul 29, 2020 10:32:47 GMT -6
Adequate job, pistol, though Ankles Pierre, Jr. objects to merging Edina East stats with other Edina schools.
It would be like merging Jefferson or Kennedy stats with Lincoln and simply referring to all as "Bloomington." Or doing the same with Rochester schools, Duluth, St. Cloud, Minneapolis or St. Paul.
Besides, the Tourney wasn't really a state tournament until Edina East, Grand Rapids, and Rochester John Marshall emerged, just in time for all leagues to merge in 1974/75, allowing Hill-Murray and any school good enough to compete, while closing the back door regional single elimination loser second chances that had been enjoyed by only certain schools.
Yes, the tourney didn't become the STATE TOURNEY until Hill-Murray, Edina East, Grand Rapids, Rochester John Marshall, and Roseau were all in the same building.
And even Ankles Pierre, Jr. must admit the king of them all were the Grand Rapids Indians.
The inclusion of Hill may have made the tourney a STATE TOURNEY, but the Grand Rapids Indians made it a show.
The show did not stop most years with Grand Rapids handing Hill-Murray its only loss of the season or post-season, tourney after tourney after tourney after tourney. NO! Sorry, no, the Show was the Band and the Girls out performing any halftime show before or since. The huge brass section and drums shook the Civic Center glass boards playing the Hamm's Beer song, while kaleidoscope patterns of figure skating women whipped across the entire ice surface. A few in the center might have worn giant, full flowing Indian princess headdress, but most sported nothing but a single feather and a simple buckskin flap, displaying enough native Native American squaw to make even Hollywood blush. The excesses in sight and sound made the Seventies Tourney a greater show than any "greatest show on Earth" circus to visit any arena anywhere and a spectacular spectacle that never will be repeated now that the Grand Rapids Indians no longer are the Indians.
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Post by Don Riley on Jul 29, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -6
My EYE in the sky spied the real answer to who had the top hockey program in the Seventies.
My EYE in the sky spied the correct answer in articles from the Seventies that EYE know are accurate ...
because EYE wrote them.
In reality, the decade can be broken into two ... pre-merger and post merger.
EYE ranked Hill #1 and Edina #2 in the St. Paul Pioneer Press, because EYE was right. It's in black and white. Read all about it in my "Imaginary State Champions" article from the early Seventies.
Gilbert ranked Edina #1 and Hill #2 at the Minneapolis Star & Tribune, because they were biased over there on the west side of the metro.
Then EYE turned on Hill about mid-decade. Hill started a nasty habit of finishing just before the league merger and Grand Rapids' emergence.
Hill definitely proved to be the second best team nearly every year in the late Seventies, usually losing only to Grand Rapids in a non-seeded tournament. Yet, while Hill's teams might have been second best, the championships alternated between Grand Rapids & Edina East, which drops Hill to third place for PROGRAMS at least by the latter half of the decade.
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Post by Reaper on Jul 29, 2020 14:17:56 GMT -6
YOU peepers sound like creepers the way YOU reminisce about buckskin babes scampering across the ice like whitetail does.
The great show and amazing atmosphere may have suffered since the excess of the Seventies,
but the television production values went up in the Eighties for folks watching from home ...
with the fondly remembered music videos produced by students at Tourney participating schools.
And although the Eighties may have lost the Indians,
YOU did get to see the Braves and the emergence of 2 new Bloomington schools ...
joining the omnipresent only undefeated of the decade Hill-Murray CHAMPIONEERS,
plus the symbiotic remerging of the Edina schools cake cheating conglomeration.
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Post by hackerboy on Jul 30, 2020 10:23:31 GMT -6
This obsession that AP and Pistol have with the One Trick Ponieers is not heart healthy.
The great Metro Powers have ruled hockey during the time periods that these obsessive compulsive One Trickster fans still live in. Its heartbreaking to see this for the token Flannel Landers.The One Tricksters mask their athletic department by social distancing themselves from the small time participation in the major sports with little success.
EYE dont think Don Riley would spy the witto cwass Ponieers sports program especially considering the major championships won by CDH in all sports.
Pistol, AP and their ilk needs to have the heart to let their sons play footbal.
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